The continuing misadventures of anti-Harry Potter crusader Laura Mallory

You might remember Laura Mallory, the woman who while having never READ any of the Harry Potter books, believes that they are pretty much the root of all evil:
- Harry Potter books cause school shootings?
- The Anti-Harry Potter lady
- Crazy lady in Georgia wants to ban Harry Potter books!
- The war against Harry Potter
Well, she’s at it again:
Like a demented Phoenix rising from the ashes of idiocy, Laura Mallory has returned once again to battle her old foe Harry Potter (and commonsense). The suburban Atlanta mother and OFF/beat’s 2006 Idiot of the Year will soon resume her quest to "protect" America’s children from the dark arts by banishing all J.K. Rowling books from school libraries.
On May 29th Gwinnett Superior Court will hear her appeal of the Georgia Board of Education’s decision that Harry Potter is, in fact, safe for juvenile consumption. The hearing will serve as a review of that ruling from last December, which effectively determined that the books’ merits (such as encouraging kids to read) far out-weighed any perceived thaumaturgy.
Mallory, despite never reading the books herself, still vigorously contends that Harry Potter literature is an "evil" attempt to indoctrinate youngsters in witchcraft. During an earlier hearing, she pointed out that the stories "encourage children to perform spells and that the books’ good characters lie, cheat and steal," without repercussion (heaven forfend!). Moreover, because the Bible "states witchcraft is an abomination to God," in her opinion these texts have no place in our school libraries.
Absolute nonsense. Listen, I’m a Christian, plenty of people I know are Christians, and we all read and enjoy the Harry Potter books TREMENDOUSLY. I have had NO qualms about introducing them to my kids, right alongside other great quality children’s fantasy literature such as the Chronicles of Narnia, Eragon, etc. What a colossal waste of time this woman is.
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37 opinions for The continuing misadventures of anti-Harry Potter crusader Laura Mallory
emily h
Apr 13, 2007 at 16:50
well put
cheryl
Apr 15, 2007 at 08:02
this crazy evil lady should be locked up with all of the harry potter books and make her read them all.
Jeanne
Apr 17, 2007 at 23:49
Holy Crap! Is this for real? Wow, this woman proves that being able to read doesn’t make someone intelligent.
chris
May 29, 2007 at 05:55
I bet if you were to ask her if she reads to her kids the answer is NO. Instead of being concerned all the other kids. Maybe she should look more close to home.
I have encourage my daughter to read the books. We have seen every move that has came out together.
Maybe I need to put a spell on her. LOL
Michelle
May 29, 2007 at 16:34
In my opinion….She is exactly the same type of person who removed prayer from schools.
How dare she decide what is best for anyone elses kids. If she doesn’t want her kids to read it great! But get over it! And to Chris…you are right she probably doesn’t read to her kids anyway.
She should be taking a stand against hunger or something of real value..that actually is worth our tax dollars. Not to mention after this her kids will probably hate her because all the other kids will hate them cause their mom keeps trying to ban Harry!
Katrina
Jun 2, 2007 at 14:05
Unbelievable. I don’t remember a book ever having caused this much controversy… especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with the claims being made against it! Harry Potter is human, that’s what makes his character so appealing. He makes mistakes just like the rest of us, sure, but where does influencing young children to become involved with dark arts come in? Isn’t Harry AGAINST dark arts?
I mean, come on, people. Be realistic here. I’ve never met anyone who became a witch after reading these books, and I doubt I ever will. It’s god reading, that’s all. Maybe Mallory should just read one, hm?
Brandon N. Bennetzen
Jun 22, 2007 at 08:47
People need to be realisitic because the Catholic Church once had people that went against the faith recanted, tortured or burned at the stake because their fact went against the Catholic Faith.
pip
Nov 2, 2007 at 03:06
i totall yagree with this lady and it is shame how so many cristians actually read these booksks REMEMBER GOD SAYS NO TO MAGIC There are a lot of people who love Harry Potter. There is no doubting that. But there are things people just don’t know about Harry Potter. Starting with magic and magic is wrong. So is sorcery and people who do sorcery. Wizards and Witches are bad too. They cast spells and think the power and magic they use is their own. Wrong. There is only two people who can give out power. God is one of them. And since God hates sorcery, he isn’t giving it out. The other person giving it out is the devil. Yes, he can do that too.
There is rumor going around that Harry Potter is symbolic to Jesus and Moses. That the “hardships” Harry went through are just like the ones Jesus or Moses went through. Now let me ask you this, did Harry Potter die for your sins so you could get to Heaven? No. Did he deliver you from your oppressors like Moses delivered the the children of Israel? No. Did he do anything that has to do with God or did he do anything nice for you? No. So how can anyone say Harry Potter is like Jesus and Moses?
Did you know that the author of Harry Potter (J. K. Rowling) is apart of the occult? Yes, she has been declared a witch. Isn’t it creepy to think that a witch is writing best seller books for children? And did you know that she stole the idea of Harry Potter from someone else and that there is a lawsuit against her? Click here to read about the lawsuit.
J.K. Rowling also said that she took more than a third of the content of these books from occult research. So, she has researched history, she has researched from mythology, and she admits that she has drawn from the religions of Celtic, druidic, satanic, Wiccan and pagan roots and written them into fiction books for children.
Aside from the author, there are billions of things wrong with Harry Potter.
Here is all they teach in this “school of magic” in these books: how to mix potions, how to put emphasis on spells, how to twist your arm and your wrist, and how to concentrate when you want things; and the powers that Harry is tapping into are the powers that kids think they can have. And some kids are innocent enough to try this stuff.
You know what’s even more wrong, that these Harry Potter books are allowed to be in schools and that you can’t even mention the Bible or God in schools.
People are wondering what the harm is. First of all, these books are saying that witchcraft is okay and normal. Kids these days read these books and watch the movie, which are made for kids, thinking that it’s okay to get into this stuff. Most parents don’t think these spells and things could ever happen, but they can! Witches, wizards, magic; it’s all part of this religion called the “occult”. And witches and wizards and magic is what these Harry Potter books have in them.
The Supreme Court has given witchcraft a religious status so this is a religion and that’s the proof of it. In the public schools, these books are being forced done children’s throats by teachers who like the books. The teachers really don’t care how you feel about the books or how you child feels about the books.
It’s interesting to note that if a child goes onto Scholastic website and types in Harry Potter, the child can log on to pornography or actual Wiccan sites that introduces a even bigger world of witchcraft.In some bookstores, not far away from the Harry Potter section, there are a teen witch kits.
Parents say that their kids doesn’t do the magic in these books. Aside from the magic, these books and movies are morally challenged. Harry cheats. Harry lies. Harry steals. His teachers steal. When Harry breaks the rules, the teachers don’t punish him. In fact, the teachers say rules are there to be broken. Children are learning from Harry and his witch buddies, that it’s okay to lie, cheat, steal, and to break the rules.
So basically, these books a bad for everyone. There are tons of books that are better than Harry Potter. There are a lot of other fantasy books out there, if that is what you’re looking for. Even Christian Fantasy books. I don’t know a whole lot about these books, but The Chronicle’s of Narnia sound interesting. I’m not sure what they are about, but I believe they are fantasy books.
pip
Nov 2, 2007 at 03:08
Well, July 21st has come and gone and the world is muggling onward. The date, of course, was the publication day of the seventh and final volume of the Harry Potter series, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. The previous six books have been translated into an estimated 66 languages so far, and have sold close to four hundred million copies, a figure that will continue to swell as sales for this consummation of Potterworld continue, and various new editions are released - the boxed sets, the leather bound special editions, the audio books and digital-with-images, et cetera, et cetera. Moreover, the fifth film was released on July 11th, and doubtless two more films (and perhaps spin-off sequels) are to follow. All told, it is the grandest trans-cultural event of epic proportions in the history of mankind, rivaled only by the Bible.
I use the word rivaled with some consideration, not only because of the impact of the series on the modern world, but also because of the worldview it so powerfully implants in its devotees. In short, the series is a kind of anti-Gospel, a dramatized manifesto for behavior and belief embodied by loveable, at times admirable, fictional characters who live out the modern ethos of secular humanism to its maximum parameters.
It is all about us. It is all about the late-Western preoccupations of Homo Sapiens Sapiens, man as knower. More precisely, it is all about Homo Sine Deo, man without God, who, in order to find his identity in a flattened cosmos, must pursue power and knowledge at all costs lest he be blasted into non-being by a killing curse. He feels abandoned, alone, and believes, therefore, that he must rely upon himself - though he will bond, to a degree, with those who assist in the revelation and development of his hidden identity. The stakes are the highest as he seeks this ultimate holy grail, for his mortal life is at radical risk. There will be deaths along the way, plenty of them, and in myriad manifestations.
Lev Grossman, in the July 23, 2007, issue of Time magazine, writes, “If you want to know who dies in Harry Potter, the answer is easy: God.” In this he has expressed the core problem with the Potter series. There is much that could be written, and has been written, about the specific problems in the books. Without neglecting the valid point that good fiction need not be overtly Christian, need not be religious at all, we might ponder a little the fact that the central metaphor and plot engines of the series are activities (witchcraft and sorcery) absolutely prohibited by God.
We might also consider for a moment the fact that no sane parents would give their children books which portrayed a set of “good” pimps and prostitutes valiantly fighting a set of “bad” pimps and prostitutes, and using the sexual acts of prostitution as the thrilling dynamic of the story. By the same token we should ask ourselves why we continue to imbibe large doses of poison in our cultural consumption, as if this were reasonable and normal living, as if the presence of a few vegetables floating in a bowl of arsenic soup justifies the long-range negative effects of our diet. Leaving aside a wealth of such arguments, let us consider Lev Grossman’s insight.
“The death of God?” many a reader will respond. “Surely he is making too much of the matter! Aren’t we discussing a single phenomenon in a vast sea of cultural phenomena? And aren’t there a lot of positive values in these books and films - even some edifying moments of courage and sacrifice? And isn’t it all about love?” Yes, in a sense it is. But what kind of love? What kind of sacrifice? And for what purpose?
The series is also about the usefulness of hatred and pride, malice toward your real or perceived enemies, seeking and using secret knowledge, lies, cunning, contempt, and sheer good luck in order to defeat whatever threatens you or stands in the path of your desires. It is a cornucopia of other false messages: The end justifies the means. Nothing is as it seems. No one can really be trusted, except those whom you feel comfortable with, who support your aims and make you feel good about yourself. Killing others is justified if you are good and they are bad. Conservative people are bad, anti-magic dogmatists are really bad and deserve whatever punishment they get (hence the delicious retributions against the Dursleys). The ultimate cause of evil is rejection of magic: the arch-villain Voldemort, for example, first went off track when he became a dysfunctional boy abandoned by his anti-magic father.
Then there’s the adolescent romance in the atmosphere, a potent element when mixed with magic, usually latent but growing with each volume and culminating in domestic bliss for the central characters at the end of the final volume. Yes, Harry faces near-satanic evils, passes through an unceasing trial of conflict and woe, triumphs against insurmountable odds, saves the world, marries Ginny and brings forth with her a new generation of little witches and wizards. If it were a spoof or satire we might laugh. But it presents itself as very serious stuff, this festival of noxious half-truths and overt falseness, interwoven so conveniently with some positive values, some attractive role-modeling, and the timeless authorial device of an under-dog orphan as the hero/anti-hero of the series. So pleasurable, so thrilling at every turn. So deathly and hollow.
But that is the point, isn’t it. If the universe in which we live is not “hallowed” (sacred, holy) but rather hollow and deadly, then we must do what we can to change it, right? There is no God, apparently, so we must be our own gods. If there is no father (as every orphan knows) than we must be our own fathers. A tough job for anyone to do, but with the help of some incredible powers it can be done. And even if there is, after all, something in existence a little more than the material world and this materialist magic, can it be trusted? Definitely not, according to the story. There are hints of other realms in the Potter series, immaterial or metaphysical dimensions devoid of any reference to a higher moral order. But these are window-dressing to the cosmology Rowling establishes.
Throughout the series there is overwhelming evidence that a Gnostic worldview is being slowly but surely presented. In fact, it is a new form of that ancient archipelago of heresies, a neo-gnosticism that borrows remnants of Judeo-Christian symbols and mixes them with cultic concepts of life and afterlife. For example, toward the end of the final volume, Harry’s headmaster and mentor, Dumbledore, meets with Harry in a nebulous otherworldly zone, after Dumbledore’s death and Harry’s pseudo-death, before the latter’s mysterious “resurrection.” Yet even these and other metaphysical references are merely used to serve the author’s real goal, which is the exaltation of the humanist ideal.
Such humanism cannot long survive without a “spirituality” of some kind or other - and what better spirituality for Homo Sine Deo than one which offers the thrills and rewards of the preternatural, without moral accountability to God. One might call this, paradoxically, the religion of secular humanism. In this religion, as in most other religions, the world is gravely threatened and needs its saviour. What, then, is a lovable hero to do in this situation? He must grow up, it goes without saying, and he does so throughout the seven tales by coming into the realization of his inherent semi-divine powers. These are never referred to as god-like powers because that would be a tacit admission of some kind of higher authority, and Potterworld will admit no absolute hierarchy in creation.
J.K. Rowling has stated in one of her interviews that, “My books are largely about death. They open with the death of Harry’s parents. There is Voldemort’s obsession with conquering death and his quest for immortality at any price, the goal of anyone with magic. I so understand why Voldemort wants to conquer death. We’re all frightened by it.”
Indeed there are myriad forms of violent death in the seven volumes, usually as the result of battles involving curses, hexes, and potions. The reader loses count of the human characters and other creatures who die in the series, and as far as I can remember none of them die naturally. Potterworld is death’s realm, death’s sovereignty, and its perpetual reign can be transcended only by using the tools of death.
Throughout the series, death and power are inextricably entwined. Moreover, death is both the ultimate threat and the ultimate solution to problems. For example, in volume six Dumbledore is killed by the evil Severus Snape who works for the arch-villain Voldemort. In volume seven we learn that Snape was a kind of double-agent, secretly loyal to Dumbledore and Harry. It is revealed that Dumbledore had asked Snape to kill him - mercy killing - and their dialogue about it sounds uncannily like justification for euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide.
Finding out who you are is crucial to overcoming death. Gradually you discover by experience, along with dedicated study of arcane forbidden knowledge, that you are more than you think you are; indeed you have a right to the secrets that will reveal you to yourself, and reveal your worth to others. You will be loved, feared, adulated, hated, but you will never be ignored - as long as you have pluck and supportive peers, and the added powers that secrets will give you. Your innate magic powers will be released by increased knowledge and will become mega-magic when exercised. The powers must be used, of course, because there are some really vile enemies out there, and the arch-enemy is after you in a big way, and he has powers too, so it’s important that you possess powers as awesome as his, if you want to defeat him. You will struggle and fall and rise again, but in the end you will triumph. You will become the saviour of the world.
Rowling has tapped into the human drama, the story that is as old as the Iliad, but without Homer’s deep insights into human motivation; as old as Beowulf, but with the roles confused and the lessons lost; as contemporary as The Lord of the Rings, but without Tolkien’s depiction of humility, genuine virtue, and wisdom. She has taken pains to make her tale more complicated than a simplistic bad guy versus good guy scenario, more complicated even that a scenario with the frontier lines of good and evil merely shifted.
Clever and inventive, she has scrambled all the frontiers, interior and exterior, vertical and horizontal, and the only orienting factor is the fate of the dynamic ego of the central character. His is not so much a Nietzscheian “will to power” as it is the will to survive, gradually evolving into the will to identity, with power as a necessary reinforcement of the quest. But she has also made Harry a likeable boy, and a hurting boy. Most young readers will identify.
He is so very much like many young people in our times who are abandoned in one way or another, with shattered families or siblings absent through abortion, or otherwise alone because of contraception and sterilization. They have suffered from various forms of devaluation, neglect, loneliness, and some have been humiliated by bullies (other unhappy children who lack identity and have seized power over weaker children as the only available means of self-affirmation). Check out your local school yard. It’s all there - the Harrys and Hermiones, the vicious Draco Malfoys and his gang of sycophants. It’s the human condition and it varies little from age to age, culture to culture - wherever man rejects the saving power of grace.
Harry overcomes the multifarious evils that confront him, yet he does so without grace. We find ourselves cheering as he does it, and then go on to either passively accept these books or actively promote them as a path of liberation, a way out of the hurts, the unfairness of life, the negations of worth, the chain-link fences and enclosed compounds that would cruelly limit our beloved children, which is to say all children. Harry knows the way! This cute loser-boy evokes our instinctive compassion for suffering people; as he surmounts all obstacles we see that he’s a winner - just as each of us hopes to be in his own life. Yes, Harry is you and me. We love him. And such a perfect actor for the film role! Such a sweet, brave, vulnerable face. A good boy. A nice, nice boy.
In Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows we see Harry coming of age. He has matured wonderfully. He has compassion for the weak, chooses to block the fatal curses and knock the wands out of the hands of those trying to kill him and others. This is so much the case that Remus Lupin remonstrates with Harry about it and receives Harry’s defensive reply to the effect that killing people is Voldemort’s way, not his. He even rescues his old tormentor Draco after he and his gang attack Harry and nearly burn him up with a mishandled Fiendfyre curse.
This new development in Harry’s character may be a disappointment to those readers who enjoyed his old vindictive ways, but it also reinforces the position of pro-Potter people who do not see beneath the surface appearance of the characters and plots. As the critic David Haddon points out, “Harry has fulfilled Rowling’s stated belief that children are ‘innately good’, without need of repentance or redemption.” They just need to grow up and learn to use their powers “wisely.” There is no original sin in Potterworld. Just magic.
And why not, if we are locked in a claustrophobic universe, why not explore the path Harry has shown us? Yearning for the transcendent, as do all human beings, even when they deny it, why should we not be enthralled by preternatural powers offered as the substitute for genuine transcendence? Thralldom, you may recall, is an old English word for enslavement. The slave in his chains may dream and fantasize about freedom, but the fantasy does not make his chains disappear. Like the slaves of old, the enthralled of our times are left with whatever pleasures they can seize within the limited dimensions of their lives, and this usually means fugitive and secret pleasures - as the pagan realms of the past abundantly proved.
Those in thrall to Potterworld may, for a while, be pleasured and distracted from their real condition by the orgy of sensations, by stimulated affections and the rush of adrenaline, by blood and gore and fright and lore, by fabulous imagery and ingenious invention. But take note that throughout the very complex web of plots and subplots the traditional symbols of Western civilization are simultaneously used and misused, are mutated, hybridized, contradicted and even at times inverted - because in this “fantasy” world, nothing is as it seems nor is it reliable, and even the architecture of thought slips and slides, leading us wherever the whims of the author wish to take us. A poor story-teller would not get away with this for a minute. But Rowling is a talented story-teller, and the massive symphonic effect of her dissolution of civilization’s basic principles is justified by many because she has entertained us and because, well, “it’s all about love.”
Genuine freedom is possible only where there is genuine love. And genuine love is not possible without truth. As Tolkien once pointed out in his essay on fantasy literature, the writer who hopes to feed the imagination in a healthy way must remain faithful to the moral order of the real universe, regardless of how fantastic the details of the fictional world may be. The Natural Law which God has written into our beings cannot be entirely eradicated, but it can be gravely deformed, leading to distortion of consciousness and conscience, and hence our actions.
Healthy fiction, no matter how wildly it may depart from the material order, teaches us to love ourselves in a wholesome manner, by loving our neighbor. Indeed, even by loving our enemies - at least by trying to learn to love them, and by believing that it is right to do so. With grace this is possible. But selective love (coupled with selective hatred) does not lead to freedom. It is the feelings of love without the substance of love, the feelings of freedom without the foundations of freedom.
If God is the absent father - or the father who perhaps never existed - the hero and his readers are left only with such emotions, their hooked loyalties, their love of the self’s insatiable appetites, which they feel cannot be denied without a killing curse of self-annihilation. That is why so many people cling fiercely to the “values” in the Potter books while ignoring the interwoven undermining of those very values. That is why the defenders of Potterworld exhibit such adamancy, frequently outrage, against critics. According to their perceptions, the critics of Potterworld are the enemies of freedom and identity.
Just as the rhetoric about freedom and democracy increases as the real thing declines, so too the rhetoric about “values” increases as the more real thing - that is, truth and virtue - declines. What will it take to awaken the dreaming slave from his delusion?
Brandon N. Bennetzen
Nov 2, 2007 at 09:46
Ok, Where is the information to back it up? If you say that the Harry Potter is evil. Where is the evidence to back it up? If I have info I have to back it up with solid evidence than go by opinions.
pip
Nov 3, 2007 at 01:20
A guest of The 700 Club, Berit Kjos, exposes the deceptive snare of Harry Potter. ‘Adults and children alike have, in their imagination, followed Harry through that mystical veil between ordinary reality and occult fantasy. Most find it hard to put the book down once they start it, and when finished, many read it again and again. Immersed in this mystical world of spiritual forces, they feel Harry’s struggles and share his fears. They sit with him through his classes on Potions, Spells, Transformation (”turning something into something else”) and Divination, and, like him, learn some tricks of the old Craft. They sense the pain of his miserable return visits to London, and they soar with him above the earth on a magical and magnificent broomstick. Delightfully gruesome images and scary creatures become part of their memory, for the author, Joanne K. Rowling, knows how to make her characters come alive in a reader’s mind.’
“History shows that when a society steps away from God, it is slowly destroyed. People start seeking life’s answers outside the Bible, getting into spiritism and the occult. Even as we are faced with the many forms of satanic influence, we have the absolute authority, through our Lord Jesus Christ, to bind the powers of darkness and dispel them. They must do our bidding as we speak ‘in the name of Jesus.’ (Matthew 16:19, 18:18; Mark 16:17; Luke 10:18-19; Ephesians 1:17-23)
“‘Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the Lord your God.’ (Deuteronomy 18:10-13)
We have talked about the subject of witchcraft and our children several times on The 700 Club. We believe we should not allow our children to read books on witchcraft, hear music that encourages it, or play games that practice such things. We want to teach our children to know and love God. Spiritism is inviting to a young child’s mind, but we must lead them to know God.
God bless you and remember to pray for our children
Michelle
Nov 5, 2007 at 15:40
Pip
You obviously have to much time on your hands.
I have read alot about JK Rowling and no where have I ever heard of her being a witch or being apart of an occult. I am with Brandon…Where is your back up on all this.
And don;t give me the bible scriptures because even the Devil himself can quote scripture.
I love the Lord with every once of my being. I am very faithful in the service I give to the church. But I am also an avid Harry fan and friend. But I also know that it is fantasy.
I would much rather my children read Harry Potter than play some of the video games out there or watch some of the movies and shows out there. It is our resposability to direct our children to God! So that they grow in his grace and his love! It is also our resposability to teach them the difference between good and evil, Fantasy and real life!
When one person decides that something is not good for the whole of society you greatly take away things that are of importance. Despite what you see in Harry Potter (That is if you have even read them) Most of see something completely different.
If you have not read Harry’s story…how can you give an objective opinion on something? Eveything you have to say is hearsay and not of your own heart and mind!
Choose not read for yourself and your own kids! Do not choose for me and mine!
CorruptibleMilk
Jan 2, 2008 at 14:33
I am also a Christian but I am a Harry Potter fan. In my school Harry Potter ISN’T allowed, because (they say) it isn’t enough ‘fairytalish’, it seems to real. Well, buddy, how real does it seem that witches and wizards live in a ‘muggle’ society, remaining unnoticed by their spells their ways trallala…
There are a lot of things I don’t agree with my teachers… but half of what you wrote were true. To little kids this book DOES teach that cheating lying stealing is OK, because little kids want to do what Harry does, because he is their hero or what.. so, the PARENT should care about this matter and ppl shouldn’t lecture about this on the Internet, like they know everything the best. And the parent decides. People shouldn’t have a say in how other ppl raise their children. That’s why I don’t agree with this Laura Mallory.
rossie
Jan 11, 2008 at 19:07
yo pip do me a favor and shut your mouth because you are so wrong
Michelle
Jan 14, 2008 at 15:26
rossie
Could not have said that better myself!
Rioko Takatsuka
Jan 15, 2008 at 14:36
I am pink ,I odeio mrs. laura mallory! =p
I and myself
Jan 15, 2008 at 14:40
O site de yous eh ridikulo! =p
Irvine
Jan 24, 2008 at 12:11
Of course he has no proof, except the Bible! But he has no RATIONAL proof! Exemple, he says witchcarft work and it’s evil? Really? Turning iron into gold and giving them to every charity causes you know his evil? Creating water out of nothing and giving lakes and rivers to African, who really, really need it, his evil, too? Saving someone who is about to fall of a building by making him levitate his evil, too? I’m really thinking about it, but that doesn’t make sence…
That is, of course, IF witchcraft works! I’d say it does depends on your faith in the spiritual world for this one.
But anyway, I don’t know of any case where someone turned a witch or wizard because of reading this book. Ya need proof on this one.
One thing I do find funny is when people, like Pip, use the non-christian argument that the main characters cheats, lie, etc., forgetting one little thing: They do that in order to stop one of the worst serial killer ever! Answer this, Pip: Is it ok to help the demon conquer the world by telling him the truth, or should you lie to him in order to save the world from damnation? Well, yeah, you could also shut up, but the demon would just wait until something comes out of your mouth. Will this ‘’something” will be a truth that will help the demon, or a lie that will save humanity? Same for breaking the rules: they break them, mostly, to save people! Because, doing otherwise, Hogward, or the world, could be destroyed. One exemple, in the Chamber of Secrets, the group break lots of rules in order to create a potion they need, to get a confession out of Malfoy (they think he’s the bad guy then). Doing so, they get a clue about the Chamber of Secrets which helps them go on. If they wouldn’t have break the rule, they may have never know of this information, would have never killed the snake, and the school would get closed forever! They did the right thing, I’d say!
The books also presents great values of love, friendship, family, courage, tolerance, sacrifice, etc. And what do you have against that? Witchcraft! Come on, I even proven before that, used correctly, witchcraft is not a bad thing anyway! It’s a skill, and what really mathers, morally, is not the skills you possess but the choice you make, the deeds you do. A policeman is a great shooter, does that makes him evil?
You gotta give us solid arguments to prove that something is morally wrong. And you didn’t! And by the way, quoting the Bible is not a solid argument: an argument must comes from rationnal thinking and discussion. You have to say, for exemple, that witchcraft is wrong for reason X or Y (exemple: Because one’s could use a spell to kill another, to which I would reply that even a non-magical individual could with a gun, or even with a knife, but we don’t condemn an individual for something that he could do, but for what he did). Or you could prove that the books really promotes the Wiccan religion (to which I would reply that never the word Wicca is mentionned, nor (as far as I remember) are religion or God, and that I wonder how a book could promote something it doesn’t even mention).
So in other words, bring up proofs please! :p
PandoraROX
Jan 27, 2008 at 18:53
PIP, how wrong you are. Harry potter, represents love and friendship, and joy, and goodness over evil. Not sadistic magic that is the fake stuff from wiccan lore. You are offending a 13 year old girl (YES, ME) with your hateful words
flo
Mar 8, 2008 at 20:54
PIP or whoever you are… i really REALLY hope you choke n die. No,for real, are you out of your freakin’ mind?!!! I mean…come one dude, you sound like a 3 year old: “magic is wrong. So is sorcery and people who do sorcery” wtf?? you make me laugh!! or cry, I’m not sure, i can’t believe that such stupid and close-mind people actually exists. Don’t you get it? Harry Potter is magic, yes, do you know where is that magic? in the fact that this “satanic book” as you say has made a hole generation of kids only interested in video games and that kinnda stuff read!! omg, can’t u see how awesome is that?!! So let me tell you a few things. First, i am not Christian, but i do respect them, as well as any other religion, but i have to say that the bible an Harry Potter are not the same thing: Bibles and religions should not be imposed, because they have rules, commandments, and people are free to decide what to believe and do, but Harry Potter is just a book, an amazing story about a brave boy who fights the dark and defends real values, very similar to the ones that your bible teaches, like loyalty, being faithful to the ones you love, not giving up when nobody believes in you. He does that…although Harry has no parents and has been maltreated by his uncles his hole life, he does not turn to the dark side, when malfoy extend his hand in the hogwats express, he rejects it, and stays with Ron. When nobody believes
him when he says Voldemort is back, he never gave up, even drought everybody else was treating him like a psycho. And do you know something else?.. he does die, like jesus, for the ones he loves, read the last book and you’ll see.So
Harry Potter belongs to the libraries because it doesn’t tell you what to believe like the bible, doesn’t threaten you that if you don’t do this or that, you’ll suffer…Harry potter just entretains and sometimes teaches you. Of course you wouldn’t know, cause i bet you never read ay of these books completely, but they
contain really deep thoughts, like when Dumbledore explains to a very confused Harry :
“It is our choices, Harry, that show us who we truly are. Far more than our abilities.” …that was such a revelation to me, made and still makes me think so much. Another point i’d like to clarify, is that you are very wrong if you think that they don’t punish cheating and stealing. Let me tell you, that in hogwarts if any student broke
any rule, they where punished in different ways, sometimes they took points off their houses, other, they made them do some kind of public service, cleaning and stuff(the regular stuff i mean).
It’s hard for me to see how there is people so blind they refuse to see the good things in life, spending their time in worthless causes, like these woman Laura Mallory…please stop with this stupidity, stop slandering J.K Rowlig…she is an amazing writer that has made us all so happy, cause you know?..Harry was my first friend, and i love him, for giving me so many beautiful moments ,making me live such amazing adventures, every time i was bored, making me cry or laugh so hard, for teaching me so many things, for just being there in those pages when anybody else was with me, thank you Harry, for being so magical!!
So Pip, I guess you’ll never read these complete, (few of you will jaj) but if you did, le me tell you I’m sorry for you, cause you are missing the opportunity of enjoying one of the most amazing stories of all times, but whatever, i’m not actually trying to change your mind, just make you realize that there are enough of us, Harry Potter fans, that are so passionate about it that are capable of being at 1:40 am in the morning of a Saturday writing this, like i am, a 16 year old girl from Uruguay (it is in south America, and we speak spanish, so excuse my bad english) That’s why Harry Potter is and will continue to be this incredible phenomenon, till for ever. LONG LIVE HARRY POTTER!!!!
floflo
Mar 8, 2008 at 20:57
pip: jajaja you are so stupid you make me laugh
floflo
Mar 8, 2008 at 21:00
PIP or whoever you are…i really REALLY hope you choke n die. No,for real, are you out of your freakin’ mind?!!! I mean…come one dude, you sound like a 3 year old: “magic is wrong. So is sorcery and people who do sorcery” wtf?? you make me laugh!! or cry, I’m not sure, i can’t believe that such stupid and close-mind people actually exists. Don’t you get it? Harry Potter is magic, yes, do you know where is that magic? in the fact that this “satanic book” as you say has made a hole generation of kids only interested in video games and that kinnda stuff read!! omg, can’t u see how awesome is that?!! So let me tell you a few things. First, i am not Christian, but i do respect them, as well as any other religion, but i have to say that the bible an Harry Potter are not the same thing: Bibles and religions should not be imposed, because they have rules, commandments, and people are free to decide what to believe and do, but Harry Potter is just a book, an amazing story about a brave boy who fights the dark and defends real values, very similar to the ones that your bible teaches, like loyalty, being faithful to the ones you love, not giving up when nobody believes in you. He does that…although Harry has no parents and has been maltreated by his uncles his hole life, he does not turn to the dark side, when malfoy extend his hand in the hogwats express, he rejects it, and stays with Ron. When nobody believes
him when he says Voldemort is back, he never gave up, even drought everybody else was treating him like a psycho. And do you know something else?.. he does die, like jesus, for the ones he loves, read the last book and you’ll see.So
Harry Potter belongs to the libraries because it doesn’t tell you what to believe like the bible, doesn’t threaten you that if you don’t do this or that, you’ll suffer…Harry potter just entretains and sometimes teaches you. Of course you wouldn’t know, cause i bet you never read ay of these books completely, but they
contain really deep thoughts, like when Dumbledore explains to a very confused Harry :
“It is our choices, Harry, that show us who we truly are. Far more than our abilities.” …that was such a revelation to me, made and still makes me think so much. Another point i’d like to clarify, is that you are very wrong if you think that they don’t punish cheating and stealing. Let me tell you, that in hogwarts if any student broke
any rule, they where punished in different ways, sometimes they took points off their houses, other, they made them do some kind of public service, cleaning and stuff(the regular stuff i mean).
It’s hard for me to see how there is people so blind they refuse to see the good things in life, spending their time in worthless causes, like these woman Laura Mallory…please stop with this stupidity, stop slandering J.K Rowlig…she is an amazing writer that has made us all so happy, cause you know?..Harry was my first friend, and i love him, for giving me so many beautiful moments ,making me live such amazing adventures, every time i was bored, making me cry or laugh so hard, for teaching me so many things, for just being there in those pages when anybody else was with me, thank you Harry, for being so magical!!
So Pip, I guess you’ll never read these complete, (few of you will jaj) but if you did, le me tell you I’m sorry for you, cause you are missing the opportunity of enjoying one of the most amazing stories of all times, but whatever, i’m not actually trying to change your mind, just make you realize that there are enough of us, Harry Potter fans, that are so passionate about it that are capable of being at 1:40 am in the morning of a Saturday writing this, like i am, a 16 year old girl from Uruguay (it is in south America, and we speak spanish, so excuse my bad english) That’s why Harry Potter is and will continue to be this incredible phenomenon, till for ever. LONG LIVE HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!!
taylor
Apr 15, 2008 at 15:53
let me give you all a warning. i have a habit of getting people angry at me in the comments.
h-o-l-y crap. pip and anti harry potter ladies are so fricking out of their mind!!! pip, what the hell do you do all day besides hacking away at your little keyboard saying “down with harry potter! muhahahaha!!!” you crazy person! i have some questions for you, and i would really like you to answer them
1) if you hate harry potter so much, why are you on a HARRY POTTER FAN WEBSITE?!?!?!?!?!
2) have you even read harry potter?
3)if you have read the series, how did you manage to miss all the sequences about the power of love and friendship and sacrafice? harry decides to die for the sake of defeating a great enemy. no, he doesnt die for our sins, but he does sacrafice himself so that the remaining could live happily. and the only reason harry want killed was because of the fact that his mother died to save him. “oh, not harry, please not harry! take me instead!” does this look like the work of the devil to you?
4)all parts of the Bible cant be taken so literally. only catholics believe Jesus when he said at the last supper “this is my body”. if you arent a catholic and dont believe that Jesus is the bread, then you cant take the Bible word for word.
5)if you say the magic in harry potter is bad, then you have to say that all magic in every book make that book bad. almost every children’s book involves magic of some sort. peter pan can fly, and make you stay young forever. does that make him the devil because he is practising witch craft? do you not let your children read or watch peter pan? do you think winnie the pooh is because animals talk in it? because animals dont talk in real life, so that implies magic. do you not let your kids watch disney movies because there’s magic in it? Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and the Beast, Mulan, Snow White, the Little Mermaid, ALL THESE MOVIES have your so called “magic”. so does sleeping beauty, beauty and the beast and all these other movies encourage young people to practice magic? why dont you start a campaign to ban disney movies, because of all the “ma-gic”
you ignorant, ignorant person
vive xe
hope that was good enough, katie :D
taylor
Apr 15, 2008 at 15:57
oh, and floflo, that was adorable and so touching and SO TRUE! LONG LIVE HARRY POTTER!!
and sorry for the double post
floflo
Apr 15, 2008 at 19:28
Jajajaja there you have it pip!, see? you can’t against all of us,there is always going to be some one like Taylor, who is going to make yo look like a complete fool, way to go girl! i loved your post,you are so right about everything. And by the way thank you so much! you can’t imagine how much your words mean to me. I’m glad someone had actually read all my post, despite my terrible english. I must say i totally agree with you…and i hope this pip doesn’t have any kids cause they are going to be really miserables,they won’t be able to have a normal childhood.
taylor
Apr 16, 2008 at 18:20
floflo, man you rock! and i was totally impressed by your english. i couldnt tell it wasnt your first language until you said something about it. anyway, and thanks for commenting so quickly too. i doubt pip will reply at all because she/he/it/loser doest want to see all the people shooting she/he/it/loser down. so yeah. hugs for you.
i just get so frusterated by people like pip. they are so ignorant and i get totally bothered by it. my mom is on my side too, just and FYI.
31 days until the tralier. 220 days until movie!!!
vive xe
hermioneg247
Apr 16, 2008 at 20:16
taylor- i couldnt agree more— about EVERYTHING that you said… everything we’ve grown up on involves magic– thats what makes the stories interesting to a 3-year-old.
floflo– your post was amazing– and your english was WAYYYYYYY better than a lot of my friends lol
the people who say harry potter is devil-worshipping have no lives and are obviously judging something they know nothing about
i’ve recently finished reading the crucible about the salem witch trials and the people trying to find the devil in things was completely idiotic– this does not completely relate but in a way it does. these people are falsely accusing the whole harry potter series of being devil-worshipping and it’s again, for lack of a better word, completely idiotic.
ive already posted in the ‘anti-harry potter lady appeals decision’ article but here it is– if you want to see what i was responding to look at that article
dawn-what the hell are you saying? if you believe that why are you even on this site? this is a site for people who appreciate harry potter and things that go along with it. in NO way does harry potter relate to the devil. yes, there are a few evil characters but there are many more of those characters IN THE REAL WORLD. your third grader has to understand that everyone is not cheery and peaceful all the time. and how does this go against any beliefs? i am a catholic and my father is a theology teacher. he also enjoys the books, so i don’t understand why some people can be so against it for their ‘faith’ when the obviously haven’t read them. harry potter focuses on love and friendship, not the devil and evil. IT IS A MAKE-BELIEVE STORY IN A MAKE-BELIEVE WORLD! i started reading harry potter in second grade. i understood right from the start that this was a fictional story. any child who doesnt understand that is a. too young to understand anything or b. living in a bubble
and pulling a child out of a class just because of harry potter is completely idiotic. the book is not evil… give it a chance… rent the movie, anything! just dont jump to random (and completely WRONG) conclusions about something.
i am completely disgusted. that’s all i can say
vive xe
some of the stuff may not make sense but basically the woman’s child is in 3rd grade and the teacher is reading hp and she is totally against it… JUST GIVE HP A CHANCE!!!
as floflo said: LONG LIVE HARRY POTTEr
vive xe <333
Michelle
Apr 17, 2008 at 16:21
floflo, taylor & hermioneg247
Keep up the good fight! I as an adult (a none idiotic one) are right there with you. I actually fight this whole thing within my own family.
People do need to stop coming to conclusions based on other peoples opinions! It’s like the old saying don’t knock it till you’ve tried it.
If people have not honestly read the books for themselves then they have no grounds to base their opinions that HP is evil and promoting witch craft.
I think several generations have forgotten how to be imaginative. How to just pretend and make-believe.
I for one have read all the books (except the last one) so far 6 times. I enjoy escaping into Harry’s world.
I am 31 years old…my cubicle at work is wall to wall Harry Potter. I have my own wand…Teak 12 inches long with Dragon Heartstring.
But I do not practice Witch craft and I take other things from the books…Friendship, Love, perseverance, loyalty and I could go on!
Keep up the fight! Keep up the fight!
Potter Fans Forever!
taylor
Apr 25, 2008 at 19:29
*heart*
love yall. i would totally love to meat you guys, except you might be rapiest or really scary creepy people, and floflo, i think you live in like spain or mexico or something. whatever
our love for harry potter unites across the world!!!!!!!
that sounded so cheesy :D
Michelle
Apr 28, 2008 at 14:37
Taylor
Cheesy is cool!
Our mutual love for Harry does unite us!
And you should be cautious about the people you meet on line. Unfortunately there are wierdo’s out there! This has nothing to do with this post but there are also good people! I met my husband on the internet and we have been married for 7 years this a August.
Long live Harry!
floflo
Apr 28, 2008 at 16:15
Damn, you people are really awsome! i also wish i could meet you , cause you all seem to be really cool and Taylor, don’t worry,at least about me, i’m not a weirdo,i’m just a regular girl,believe me!, but i do live across the word,i mean Uruguay is a crapy country in south america,probably smaller than your neighborhood. Anyway,you might be surprised to see how many harry potter fans are here and how passionate about it we are. By the way, Hermioneg247, loved your post and thanks for that comment about my english, i wish my teacher agreed haha, and Michelle, i feel the same way, i enjoy escaping into Harry’s world so much, is the only place where i feel…completely happy.
I have to say that you guys are incredible and though we cannot meet, it makes me so happy to know there are people like you out there,who are going to keep alive this through the years and never let Harry turn into just ink and paper…
Harry Potter until for ever!
hermioneg247
Apr 28, 2008 at 19:48
aww thanks floflo!! michelle– about that cubicle at work- THAT’S AMAZING!!! lol taylor– i think you know for a fact i am not a weirdo (although you and my other friends may think i’m extremely strange sometimes- but you are too lol)
it’s a shame that we can’t all meet each other but awesome to know there are fans of all different ages and races across the entire world reading the harry potter books and enjoying them. i seriously think that the series has spread unity among people living in different countries. that’s AMAZING!!! <333
they’re always be idiots in the world like laura mallory and pip who go against harry potter but we just have to ignore them. since i was in second grade i’ve been in love with harry potter and his friends and that entire (FANTASY) world. (sorry- had to include that in case someone actually though i worshipped the devil or something which i do NOT). and i have to admit when i turned eleven i was thoroughly bummed not to get my hogwarts letter lol. this sounds incredibly corny but through the years, harry’s been a friend to me. nothing that anyone’s said to me against harry potter has changed my opinions and they will never change it. harry potter will live on through the generations as long as we keep him alive. although there will not be the element of surprise any more (which we were so lucky to have) i think the story is timeless. i know for a fact that as soon as i have kids and they’re old enough, i’ll read harry potter to them- i’ve already started with my 6-year-old brother and he likes it!! yay :) i can’t let my old friend harry die– and i know you guys and people out there like you guys won’t either!!
you’re awesome!!
~8-J <– my hp smiley!!! lol
vive xe
long live harry potter!
Michelle
Apr 29, 2008 at 09:47
As for me when I have kids they will not only get to experiance Harry’s World but my husband has already agreed they can Harry Potter Middle Names. If I have girls the middle names will be Hermione and / or Ginevra “Ginny” and Boys will be Severus and / or Sirius….You may ask why Severus first….I thouroughly believe After the last book that he deserves to be remembered for the sacrifice he made and the Love he had for Lily Potter.
For now my HP friends!
hermioneg247
Apr 30, 2008 at 17:25
that’s so awesome!!! my dad’s name is james so i’m definitely gonna use that — and im hoping the guy ill marry will have a dad named harry lol but if not we’ll have to talk– i love the name ginny so that will def be an option
but i have a few years to think bout it lol
VIVE XE
Long Live HP
taylor
May 1, 2008 at 14:50
oh my golly!!!! *HEART!!!!!*
oh my goodness. im just kinad a little speachless. but not really. i just *sigh* HARRY POTTER IS JUST SO DAMN COOL!!!!
holy crap, floflo, you do live across the world. we learned a little about Uruguay in spanish class, and i should be able to remember its capital, but shame on me i cant at the moment. my bad. :P
i just wish the name ginny came from a different name. i know that sounds really wierd, but like, ginny is short for virginia. and i mean, cmon. virginia?!?!? and i cant name my kid ginevera. i just cant. its like naming your kid han solo, from star wars. its just a little too obvious that it came from the series. but i totally love the name. *ginny!!!!*
im definately gonna name my kid James (if hes a boy) (either first name or middle or somewhere in there), espically b/c i love the name jimmy. i acutally was gonna be named ron if i was a boy. or robert. but the story is cooler if i leave out the robert part.
haha this is like the randomest post. long live harry potter and their AMAZING!!!!!!!! supporters — even if they are like married or live in Uruguay or are my sweet classmate :D!!!!!
hermioneg247
May 1, 2008 at 16:14
i know i was thinking about the ginny dilemma too taylor… hmmm maybe ginevra will catch on by then lol– or she could just be ginny (my friend’s name is just alex) who knows
these comments are getting really random lol
and isn’t the capital of uruguay montevideo?
adios lol
vive XE
long live hp
oh and “POTTER FOR PRESIDENT!”
taylor
May 11, 2008 at 11:32
ooh, youre right, hermioneg247, it is montevideo. anyway…. not any real harry potter news. tralier out in 5 days!!!!!
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